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Saturday, February 8, 2014

How do Porsche 911 current owners really feel about Corvette C7 Stingray?

+Tadge Juechter  in his delusional attempts, picked Porsche 911 and its owner as the direct target of the newest Corvette.  Juechter has been continuously claiming C7 is superior to this car (referring to its latest reiterations) in performance, technology, standard equipment and LOL fit and finish quality.
This idiot also claimed that the current owners will be ditching their cars in rows lining up to purchase new Corvette.

So... what is the reality?  Well, not very flattering for +General Motors  or Juechter but no real surprise here, at least for those who can actually see through the marketing bullshit and hype.

Provided below is a testimony from an actual Porsche owner/lessee who actually purchased the C7 and after owning it for a few weeks, given a choice between his Porsche and Corvette, gladly ditched the Corvette.  This guy's observations and comments regarding the new Corvette and its comparison with 911 are right on par with reality of someone outside of Corvette and GM nut hugging circle. 

The bottom line:  the fit, finish and paint are right down awful on new Corvette and any performance advantages are readily erased due to persistent lack of quality the new Corvette demonstrates in very obvious ways.

I was in the processing of doing a lease transfer on my 991 C2S coupe, as I had an order in at a dealership for a c7. I got a call from a dealership I'd emailed in San Diego. Someone had cancelled and a C7 was on the ground and was optioned pretty much exactly the way I wanted. Paid sticker, and was forced into a few addons, but it wasn't too bad, ended up about $1000 over. Oh well, I would have spent that shipping a car or finding a dealership to do courtesy delivery, etc. Drove it back from San Diego. (picked it up with 3 miles on it, turned over 500 when I got off my exit, and the Redline on the tach moved from 4500 -> normal redline, indicating it is fully broken in)

It was a Laguna Blue on Jet Black with microfiber insert 3LT Z51. Has the Magnetic Ride Control, the switchable performance exhaust, and a couple of other little things, pretty much fully loaded without any of the frivolous (to me) options, like the exposed CF hood and roof, glass roof, stripes, etc

Initial thoughts:

- The only torquey motors I've owned have been turbocharged. This is a whole different ball game. When you stomp on the throttle, you GO. It's pretty fantastic. It's fast enough to take the worlds out of my son's mouth. "Daddy, BROOOOOOOOM, GO Faaasss- " His eyes got wide and he just grinned!

- While the car is MUCH improved, it's still not the equivalent of a European car. The buttons all take a strong push and everything works, but the door cards are squishy, and while the leather wrapped dash is nice, there are some flaws, etc. It's still very nice inside and a huge improvement.

- Seat mechanism is just not up to par with the Europeans. It moves a little bit weird, etc. If you recline the seat, sometimes it feels like one side moves more than the other, weird stuff like that.

- The heads up display is really nice. I'd highly recommend it.

- The instrument cluster is pretty well done, doesn't wash out in sunlight, even with the top off, etc.

- The navigation screen, on the other hand, with a bit of sunlight, boom gone.

- This thing has more USB ports than my laptop!

- Shifter is very notchy and clunky feeling when the car is off, but when you are running through the gears, it feels great. 7th is a big stretch - it feels VERY natural to go from 7th to 4th. It's almost impossible to go from 7th to 2nd. going through the gears normally feels ok, but skipping gears makes things a bit weird - it's really hard to go from 4th to 7th, but 7th-4th feels fine. It's a tug to go from 5th to 6th (instead of 4th) and you have to be VERY deliberate to go to 7th.

- Brakes feel very strong and solid, similar pedal feel to my 991.

- HOLY CRAP this car has AWFUL paint. It's disgusting how much orange peel there is and there are some runs and stuff. It's really really bad. the actual paint color, Laguna Blue is gorgeous, clearly a multi layer metallic, but the application... man. Some people had gotten even worse ones!

Compared to the 991
- Vette feels *way* faster. Most of that is seat of the pants torque in your face, because most tests show the 911 (especially PDK) beating it
- the 991 still feels more tossable with more accurate steering.
- Both have electric steering but the 991 has a lot more feel.
- 991 has a much higher quality "feel" to it. All the controls click with more precision, etc
- The 991's navi is way better
- The 991's seat is way better
- The 991's ergos in general are better
- The 991 is way more roomy
- The 991's traditional gauge cluster manages to show more information than the Vette's fancy TFT screen.
- The 991 is more customizable - you can't change which shock settings or traction control settings are associated with the Vette's 5 driving modes (Weather, Eco, Touring, Sport and Track)
- The 991 is practically invisible. The Vette gets attention at every stop light - people just love it. My haircutter ($10 place) asked if it was a Ferrari. (My 3 year old) told her it was a Lamborghini and she was fine with that.

Anyway, in a strange turn of events, I couldn't go through with the lease transfer - PFS won't take your name off the lease, which means that the other person has to keep it registered in both your names. I was too uncomfortable with that liability so ended up keeping the 991 and selling the C7 while it was still hot. (and it was still hot - I sold it for MSRP, at a loss, but not that bad.)

I think the 991 is a better car overall (I just leased my 2nd one, traded the coupe in for a c4s cab, but that is another
story. )

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